You know, I wouldn't say to kill the child or eliminate the child. No, it's to feed the child.

Now, that is the reason why I am proposing this multi-tiered system of support.

When we have this kind of multi-tiered system of support, we will have a kind of robust way of trying to fill in the gaps, which the post-pandemic experience has created.

pandemic experience and post-pandemic experience are created now um why am i saying this because this system of support has a kind of interventions now there are varied levels of interventions in nigerian situation when a child is not doing well in academically there are only two people to blame the child blamed by the parents the teacher blamed by the school but even in public school nobody cares in a government-run school no one cares in private sector yes a teacher can be brought in and talked to and even discussed with but in the government no nobody cared about that and majority of the population of the nigerian children are in the public school we are talking about over 60 percent of nigerian population uh you know children to be in the the public school so in a public school where nobody talks about interventions nobody talks about how to help a child then i think we begin to think towards that way and of course um in nigeria when a child is also not doing well even in a case where they want to help the child the only focus on the academy the academic work oh give him more lessons give him more extra classes give it but people refuse that when it comes to education as a whole it involves the mental the social the psychological and of course the the the behavioral aspect of it and that is the reason why i'm also proposing this because this support system also encourages a kind of positive behavior intervention there'll be academic going on there'll be behavior going on another factor is the universal design for learning now this system of support does not limit itself within the serenity or within the country or within the system it goes to borrow from the universal design like from unesco you know make consultation from other spheres to see and of course is also a very wonderful support system because it also includes a situation of social and emotional curriculum you know begin to monitor the child's social development uh their emotional you know reactions so it's a very robust way of trying to support these children that somehow you know do not have what it takes to be educated as it is where in nigerian case you know and every one of these anthony michael we could spend hours talking about because they are relevant and when you mention about feeding children and i certainly do not want to diminish any learning environment because i'm sure that in situations in nigeria and around the world people are literally starving and hungry and it's really difficult to focus on a lesson when you came to school hungry and i know my wife is a school teacher and for low income children at her school they have the option and ability to get a free breakfast but we're talking i mean in nigeria and other places we're talking about situations that need to really be considered i don't know what it would look like and i'm sure we could talk more about that but i guess my general principle and idea is that if you're coming to school and you've walked five six eight kilometers and maybe along the way you already ate whatever lunch you brought with you then you're going to be at school i mean tell me about the lunch room i mean what we don't have such a thing in the public sector we don't have such a thing even the where they claim that they were feeding uh school children the effect is as low as ten percent you know and the the private sector where we have something like that then the parents pay a lot of money to achieve that but the situation in nigeria today is that 70 percent of the parents we have cannot afford such system of education and that is where the problem is so i think our government minister of education should start thinking more about how to bring all these things together to make a child you know holistic way educated you know and one of the things sorry to interrupt but one of the things that was brought up by a teacher from haiti commenting before the broadcast i was in contact with a person that they were talking about you know not only you're dealing with hunger but what about the violence you know they what you hear outside the noise and the traffic and you know sirens that really could impact you know a child's ability to focus and you mentioned about emotional welfare yeah yeah of course in in nigeria today most of our public education sites are not conducive environment for learning why did i say that you know i remembered in my own village where our own community school is a surrounded by 40th of road network so i wonder how students can be when i compare it with where i am today in the united states i be in my room lock up my room there is air conditioned there is everything i need so whatever that is happening outside we don't know until we finish whatever we are doing inside but the nigerian case is this we have tiered road networks um sometimes farmers with some of their rolling into the school compound you know sometimes uh the youth that are not in school will decide to play on the on the pitch or on the field or whatever and then there is a lot of destruction there is no no security no nothing like fenced around gates no most of our public school do not have all these things so there is the school is not the compound generally the serenity of that place is is really a big problem so we don't have such thing now where we have such thing in the private sector then we have to cough out a lot of money to get that but most parents in nigeria cannot afford that you know one yeah and one of the things if i were a teacher trainer in nigeria i think a lot of teachers i'm thinking about and i'm pointing about the social emotional curriculum not only for students but perhaps for teachers when i think if i were to for example give a presentation or meet with nigerian school teachers number one there is no way that i would be able to say i know how you feel i mean i mean it's just no way to do that and a lot of times i think a lot of the teachers don't want necessarily give me 22 different solutions to fix every problem but just to understand how i struggle it's kind of like those soft skills of compassion and empathy and just saying you know what this must be really difficult for you is i am becoming emotional because i know what the people there are suffering i know my teachers what they suffered and what they are still suffering today you know is a situation where you are your own at the end of the month come and take your twenty dollars finish case close you know nobody asks you about your welfare i remember during the pandemic in peru my school provided an opportunity whereby the teachers will gather together do a kind of you know spaced exercise i remember that on monday we say okay teach from social time to time come to the school compound with your mask and then let's see how you're feeling let's see how you're doing but in nigeria no there is nothing like welfare for the teachers no no but they are paying tax you know and at the end of the day they are suffering as professionals they are suffering as people who care for the younger generation they are also suffering as family people so i will say that teachers in nigeria are nothing to write home about i think they are the best to endure and to still work there and let me ask you and it would be interesting to hear from john from nigeria how many teachers would even have access to the technology to watch a broadcast like this if we are talking about the broad if we are talking about the public public school teachers teachers none zero i mean zero because i have not heard and i have not seen any public school that has internet facility i've not heard about that probably they may have that we serve only at the principal's office or the headmaster's office probably and again yeah yes so they can't they don't have access to that so i would be interested in hearing from those that are watching the broadcast night now you know to what extent do teachers have access even to professional development like what we're doing today you know to receive some type of support that would be interesting now anthony michael we talked about and you briefly briefly talked about some of these points and again we certainly could go into more depth but i want to talk about these you know whether no matter what you do no matter what system no matter you know how you are determining and trying to resolve issues within your school how do these points relate to any teaching situation and and also in nigeria yes um i i will say that in the nigerian contest even my own personal experience uh technically Basically speaking, parents are not involved in the education formation of their children.